Vegans and Ghee??

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  • #2189
    Savani
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    @savani

    Hello everyone! The forum seems a little quiet and this may not receive any attention, but it is my hope that there are others out there who are enjoying this lovely book as well, and are living the vegan lifestyle. For those who do not know exactly what vegans believe, vegans do not partake in any use of dairy or of any use of products made from animals. Please be aware that this post is NOT about whether you agree or do not agree with vegans’ choices regarding animal use. This is a post to see if other vegans are concerned about the use of ghee, which is made with cow’s milk, and if you know if substituting coconut oil or some other plant-based oil can be used instead with the same results.

    Also, if you are reading this and are a teacher of the ancient traditions of home and herbal remedies that use ghee, does it make sense to you that in today’s modern world that ghee, should be considered the only choice? These are ancient remedies. Many years ago they probably did not have access to other oil products (i.e., for rubbing on the temple) and at that time, ghee was the only viable option in most areas. Today, as you know, our planet contains BILLIONS of people. Nearly all animals used for food and products are NOT treated with any respect or dignity, nor are they even given thanks for the use of their meat and milk, etc., as they were in ancient times. Instead, these animals suffer at the hands of those who profit from them and view them as “commodities”. Personally, I do not wish to rub the energies of the animal’s pain and suffering (from their living conditions and slaughter) into the temples of my head. Most vegans recognize that these negative energies remain in the animal’s body as long as humans consciously and collectively believe that their flesh and milk, etc., have some value or benefit for them. Times have changed, and we are evolving at a higher rate than ever before. Vegans see the need to make changes in the way we view and use our precious animals. With this in mind, can someone who has studied the secrets of healing please advise me on a vegan alternative for ghee?

    Thank you so much.

    With love for you and ALL living things,
    Savani

    #2260
    Carolkray
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    @carolkray

    Dear Savani,

    In a search of Dr. Naram’s material, I found this specific alternative for using in mung bean soup: sunflower oil. For cooking, in addition to ghee, coconut oil and organic canola oil are mentioned. I hope this is helpful.

    Regards,
    Carol Ray

    #2261
    Savani
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    @savani

    I appreciate your assistance, Carol. Thank you!

    When I cook or prepare salads, I use plant-based oils such as sunflower, coconut, and olive oil already, so I will continue to do so. I will also continue to read and do some research to see if there is some sacred or specific healing reason WHY they seem to glorify the use of ghee in the ancient teachings. I understand that cows are held sacred in India by most. What I do not understand is that in order to get those jars and jars of ghee and blocks of butter in the Indian market places (and also here in the United States and other countries), there has to be some kind of mass production in factories or large farms to collect the milk. This is where cruelty, suffering, and horrible things happen to cows and their babies that show absolutely no honor or compassion for these loving animals – all so that we can mindlessly consume their milk products, and ghee is no exception. Like Marianjii says in the book, “It would be very small of me if I only helped those I like or who like me.” Any wise person who practices Siddah-Veda knows it goes deeper than just connecting with the “liking” of human souls. It applies to the connection we all have with every living thing. How do we treat other living beings, without exception?

    I’m sorry if I am using this forum to express my feelings about animal cruelty. It is my purpose in life to teach these things. What I say here is related to what I am learning in this book. I want to understand WHY some aspects of the teachings of these ancient practices, like the use of ghee, are still being promoted without concern for the higher levels of consciousness we experience in our modern times. Does it matter what oil we use?? There are even a few chapters (ch. 6 & 9) where they imply that ghee has some kind of “magical benefits.” If I choose to use coconut oil to rub into my temples or feet, will my time and efforts to heal be wasted? Will NOT using ghee make the healing null and void and NOT happen, or is INTENT what matters? Will I receive the same benefits using plant oils? Who can answer these questions for me , please?

    Thank you,
    With love, in memory of Dr. Naram,
    Savani

    #2273
    MyAncientSecrets Admin
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    Hi dear Savani,
    If you do not want to use Ghee, do use coconut oil. It will help you.

    #2276
    Lynwood
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    @lynwood

    It would be extremely helpful if some appropriately knowledgeable person would address Savani’s concerns. I personally do not believe that anything more modern or plant based has replaced the full range of health benefits of cow’s ghee. Anyone who knows of the ecological integrity of Biodynamic farming knows of the primacy of cattle for their enterprise. One reason–I don’t know them all; I’m sure there are many–is that cattle dung is the best possible soil amendment/fertilizer, yielding the most nutritious plants. Of course, the cattle need to be treated with the utmost care, as they do on biodynamic farms. I believe that these and more reasons are why cattle are so highly valued in Indian culture.

    #2283
    Savani
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    @savani

    Thank you, Administration, for your response.

    I have taken my questions to a higher source with the intent to know what I should do for my highest good, and for the animals, regarding the use of ghee. My heart is certain that I should continue to avoid doing anything willingly that causes harm and suffering to other sentient beings. Whenever it is within my power to control the outcome, then I should always look deeper inside for assistance and strength and follow my heart. The answers are always there, I just have to remember to ask! For any vegans reading this, it is my knowing that it will always be your own heart you must follow regarding the use of ghee. If you have already chosen the vegan lifestyle, then I applaud you and I am very grateful for your choice. We can be successful with these ancient healing methods using pure, 100% plant replacements for ghee, and still have “magical” benefits and healing take place.

    *Please note: Thank you, Lynwood, for the kind words above in your comment. I hope that what I am about to say will not be taken personally and will not reflect on you or your comment. It is important for vegans to know that the milk and dairy products from cows that come from farms (even in India) that use “Biodynamic” farming methods do not count as being places whose products should be okay for consumption of dairy. Their end game is the same. The cows are still considered to be non-sentient “livestock” or “commodities” with the sale of their milk being used solely for profit. It produces the same results whether or not they “carefully” take away the babies from their mothers before using the cows as “milking machines” for years until they are “retired”. The vibrations created are lower and are similar to humans who work in cubicles all day producing computer data, day-in and day-out, or those who work in factories doing the same mundane work over and over. Most humans used for this kind of work will say they “hate their jobs”. No one asks the cow if she likes her job or not. That is congruent with slavery.

    As the consciousness of all is raising in vibration in these amazing times, I hope all will awaken to the animal cruelty that is taking place in factory farms and all farms that raise animals for food and other products. Abuse of our animals WILL end. I am happy to be even a small part of that victorious outcome!

    With much love,
    Savani

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